Jansson skrev:PekkaJohansson skrev:Det finns alltså alternativa fakta om "The wall"?
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Pekka
Ja.
Kolla länken jag bifogade i tidigare inlägg.
Här är info om din tyska cd:
http://www.pinkfloydarchives.com/DGerCDPF.htmMen om jag får avsluta min ledighet över helgen så återkommer jag gärna med mina åsikter.
The Wall.
Finns många trådar på Hoffmans forum om vilken utgåva som medlemmarna tycker låter bäst.
Här är bara ett axplock:
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... d+the+wall http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... d+the+wall http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... d+the+wall http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... d+the+wall http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... d+the+wall http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... d+the+wall http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... d+the+wall http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... d+the+wallIfrån en annan tråd citerar jag delavagus:
know, I know -- another thread about The Wall! (And it's my first post, too! How unimaginative of me!)
Seriously, though, I'd like some help clearing something up. I've been hunting down the best versions of all the Pink Floyd albums. I have been unable to hear the version of The Wall that this forum considers the best: the 50DP 52. I have, however, heard the 48DP 5007~8. My question is: Do these sound the same?
Yes, they do, according to Vernon Fitch (that is, unless I'm misunderstanding what "shares the same mastering as..." implies):
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepage ... .htm#Wall1 On the other hand, according to a list posted on this forum, the two are not only different, they are VERY different. Here's a proposed "definitive" list of the best copies of The Wall that I found posted here:
1. CBS/Sony 50DP 361-2 (first Japanese pressing)
2. Columbia C2K 36183 (Japan, Canada, USA)
3. Harvest CDS 7 46036 8 (UK, Holland)
4. Harvest CDS 7 46036 8 (UK, Sonopress Germany)
5. CBS 88485 (Japan)
6. CBS/Sony 48DP 5007~8 (Japan)
7. MFSL
8. Shine On Box (US)
9. Capitol/EMI/Toshiba/Harvest 7243 8 31243 2 (remaster from 1994)
10. Columbia/Sony remaster from 1997
As you can see, the 50DP is 1, whereas the 48DP comes in at a lowly 6. That suggests they're not at all the same.
Frankly, I'm hoping they aren't the same, because I'm not that happy with any of the versions of The Wall I've heard (meaning I'm not as happy with them as I am with my copies of DSOTM, for example): the 40DP sounds way too bright to me (is there a pre-emphasis problem going on for me?). I like the CDS 7 46036 8, which seems to have that "warm" sound that most of the "Holy Grail" recordings have, only too much so: it's too veiled. I don't like the C2K copies either; like the 48DP, they seem too bright and forward to me. Of all the copies I've heard, I'm tempted to say that the MFSL is the best, but I'm not a huge fan of that copy either. So I'm hoping that the 50DP really is the one.
Of course, if I could only get my hands on a copy, I could know for sure. But if the 50DP and the 48DP really are sonically equivalent, then I can stop searching and content myself with what I've got.
Finally, I apologize if this has been covered elsewhere on the forum -- in fact, I'm sure it has been covered. But there's just so much information here; I couldn't possible go through all of it. My research only led to contradictory claims, as I've shown.
Thanks!
Här är tråden i sin helhet.
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/t ... -8.175589/Som cd utgåvor har jag om vi läser delavagus topplista:
Nr 1, 2, 3 och 7 i min skivsamling.
Som Lp har jag en första pressning UK samt en svensk pressning från året.
I tråden här på faktiskt "vad man behöver veta om the Wall" berörs ämnet preemfas.
I delavagus tråd kommer samma ämne upp och foobar 2000 förklarar det pedagogiskt:
CD pre-emphasis works just like the RIAA curve on LPs. It's an EQ curve that gets applied to the musical program, and needs to have the inverse EQ applied before/during playback.
In the CD case it's a pretty steep curve. Starts off gently at around 1k Hz, and slopes up to nearly +10dB at the highest frequencies. That's a massive treble boost, and you absolutely do not want to listen to the raw files on the CD that way!
So, for CD pre-emphasis you have that EQ curve applied, plus a bit that gets toggled on as a flag that pre-emphasis exists. Normally a CD player would make note of the flag, and apply the reverse EQ to bring things back to normal. If you rip the files off a CD to .wav (or .flac, or mp3, or whatever) you lose that flag. It will be entirely undetectable in the .wav. But, the music will still contain the massive treble boost! We need to correct for that.
In the case where you're listening to .flac files one option is to bring the files into a decent audio editing program and apply the reverse EQ. Some programs, and some vst EQ plug-ins, have a pre-set for this. I have a preset for Audacity (free editor) if you need it. There are also some stand-alone free programs; Sox and WaveEmph, that can apply the reverse EQ. iTunes will also automatically apply the reverse EQ to a rip if it sees the pre-emphasis flag on the disc.
The other option would be to use playback software that applies the EQ in real-time, leaving the files unmolested. A 10-band EQ is not going to cut it. You'll need something like an infinitely adjustable EQ, or a convolver impulse processor.
In any of those cases the quality of the results will depend on the quality of the EQ calculations in your chosen application.
For detecting the flag on a given CD I usually stick it in my vintage Denon CD player. A little light comes on if it detects it. Sadly, from what I hear, not all modern CD/DVD players can detect the flag. Exact Audio Copy will detect the flags, there is a column for that in the main info window, but the newer versions don't always get it right. You need to get version 0.95 pb3 or older to reliably detect it. Note that whether or not EAC detects the flag it will not do anything about applying the reverse EQ needed.
If all you have is a rip its impossible to detect whether pre-emphasis is present from the files alone. If you have a cue sheet you'll see "FLAGS PRE" after each track if the cue sheet was done properly. Note that it's possible for the current version of EAC to miss the flags, and generate an incorrect cue sheet without the flags.
If you want to re-burn a CD you'll need to use the cue sheet method to re-set the flags so the CD player can see them again. This doesn't actually apply the EQ to the files on the disc, just sets the flag to "on". This will not do anything if you're using a cue sheet as a playlist for your flac files on the computer. Only tell a (properly designed) CD player to turn the de-emphasis filter on.
Av mina två utgåvor har nr 1 och nr 2 preemfas.
Nåväl vilken utgåva låter bäst?
Det är inte vinylen. Faktiskt behöver du inte köpa UK tidig utan den svenska är lika bra.
Vinylen är dock bättre än nr 2, 3 och nr 7.
Den stora vinnaren är:
CBS/Sony 50DP 361-2
Den är sjukt bra!
Bäst på allt helt enkelt.
Det är lite knäppt kanske men den ger mig fortfarande gåshud varje gång jag spelar upp skivan . Ljudbilden är stoor. Mest dynamik, låter väldigt rent och du kan "titta in " i inspelningen samtidigt som du lyssnar på helheten. Jag kan spela den här betydligt starkare än någon annan version och allt bara flyter. Golvet vibrerar under fötterna på mig och det är bara njutbart.
Jag upptäcker fortfarande saker i inspelningen som jag inte tidigare inte lagt märke till.
Det som dock är viktigt här är just preemfas. (fast det har du ju redan listat ut)
Nu är jag fortfarande off topic till Codys tråd så därför:
Jag har lyssnat på 2011 remasters på Spotify via apple tv och dac och det är det närmaste jag kommit trådämnet. Svårt att ge något omdöme dessvärre.
Vinylerna har jag inte köpt.
Det är bara några hakar med CBS/Sony 50DP 361-2, preemfas har jag redan avhandlat och så är det en sak till.....Googla på vad marknaden vill ge för den så ser du vad jag menar....
Mitt andrahandsval till CBS/Sony är Columbia C2K 36183 fast den har ju premfas den också så du behöver avkoda den rätt om det ska bli rätt.
I CAN´T THINK.... ..... OF ANYTHING BOW LP2