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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-10 00:21

Laila skrev:
Jacro skrev: . . . . . .

Good audio is predominately a systems design approach, not an individual component selection approach. The components have to be appropriate within a standard deviation, but beyond that, it is all based on the impedance interfacing of the system.

Some designers operate from a systems approach, and some try to use all the most expensive components and hope for the best result.

Whether one has an unlimited budget or is designing for lowest cost, the systems approach will provide a better result and will tend to be less wasteful. But, it takes longer and requires more careful assessment.

Cheers,

- James


James, welcome to the forum !

Like poetry in my ears (eyes) . . . . wonderful words. :)


“A waveguide by any other name would sound as sweet”


Hmmm… Maybe it is best that I not pursue a career as an audio poet, and just stay focused on the technical discussions -- But thank you for your kind words.

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Inläggav Stereotypen » 2011-02-10 00:21

Hi, and Welcome Jacro! :)
Very interesting ta read about your study of amplifiers/loudspeakers!
I am interested to hear what you think about Siegfried Linkwitz approach to loudspeaker design, dynamic dipoles.
I myself have found them to solve a great deal of the problems in the speaker/room area in my listening room. The uniform powerresponse may be part of the answer here i guess.
What are your experiences or oppinions regarding this?

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Re: Tube Amplifiers and Power Levels

Inläggav Laila » 2011-02-10 14:21

Jacro skrev:
If there is further interest, I’ll try to follow up soon with a bit more information on the topic, including a few small signal issues with power amplifiers.


Please do that. . . :)

Jacro skrev:I originally interrupted your discussion here just to answer a few loudspeaker questions, and I don’t want to hi-jack your forum, so let me know if I am inappropriately dominating your discussions.


Not a chance(I think :oops: ) ! :D
Sterio . . . krävs dä tvillingar för å lyssna på´t åsså, typ . . . ?
Sedan mitt andra jag gick bort lyssnar jag mest på monio . . . typ.

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Inläggav Nattlorden » 2011-02-10 15:15

Jacro - almost no thread here ends on the same note as they begin, so that's completely natural. :D And feel free to comment/contribute in other threads than this one - I think I speak for everyone here when I say we're delighted to have yet another professional designer on the forum.

It's interesting when you all agree and equally so when you don't....
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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-10 21:07

Stereotypen skrev:Hi, and Welcome Jacro! :)
Very interesting ta read about your study of amplifiers/loudspeakers!
I am interested to hear what you think about Siegfried Linkwitz approach to loudspeaker design, dynamic dipoles.
I myself have found them to solve a great deal of the problems in the speaker/room area in my listening room. The uniform powerresponse may be part of the answer here i guess.
What are your experiences or oppinions regarding this?




Hi Stereotypen,

I have great respect for the work that Linkwitz does and the generosity he has come to exhibit by sharing so fully on his website. (He was much more guarded with information in his younger days.)

You are correct in assuming the importance of uniform, or at least carefully tailored, power response.

My general recommendation is that once one has established an effective direct sound, with minimum interference from early correlated reflections, then the ideal is to have the best full range balance possible on all secondary room sounds, preferably with the appropriate delay between the direct sound and correlated reflections.

To achieve this, I believe the loudspeaker should either be operated as a boundary coupled half-space device, or as an omni or full range dipole well out into the room.

(These out-in-the room, symmetrical dipole, systems work best in larger rooms, so as to be able to be well removed from the front wall, and sidewalls. Small rooms do not accommodate them very well, particularly the more omni-directional devices. Dipoles can be oriented to aim the dipole nulls at the sidewall and front wall first reflection points to minimize early reflections to help work better in a smaller room, but that is still a compromise.)

Unfortunately, most loudspeakers operate in the awkward middle ground between these two approaches. Most (cone in a box) loudspeakers are operated a short distance away from the front wall, but they have omni-directional response at all lower frequencies, and more directional sound in the upper frequencies, with “uneven” power response creating an unbalanced “room sound”. The “rear 180-degree wave angles” tend to exhibit very uneven, frequency response and drive the room to an unnatural secondary sound field.

While I feel the half-space, boundary-coupled approach is the more universally consistent way to achieve the best effect, the Linkwitz approach can also provide a very good result, particularly if the room size is compatible. The equal front/back response at least drives the room in a manner that is consistent with the direct sound, but there are some questionable side effects, such as artificial reflections off the front wall behind the loudspeakers, often creating interference with the direct sound, and also creating “false depth”.

False depth can be an enjoyable effect, but it does not represent an accurate mapping of the original event into your room.

Only recently has Linkwitz finally arrived at making sure that the dipole response is equal on the front AND backside of the loudspeaker. Previously, he only operated dipole up to approximately 2kHz, but now he has adopted full symmetry.

If one is putting a loudspeaker out into the room, it must be either very symmetrical, preferably with constant directivity vs. frequency, and even better, constant “high” directivity with frequency, or it must be power response tailored in a very careful manner.

A few loudspeakers that don’t follow the guideline (of symmetry or half-space), can be made to perform well, but must be tailored very carefully to be successful (Quad ESL 57).

Otherwise, to work well, they should be used in the near field, eliminating room sound as much as possible (Harbeth HL-P3, LS3/5a).

Again, all of this is an over simplification, but as a guideline, but hopefully, it at least points to some of the issues that must be dealt with.

- James
Founder/Director Definitive Audio
Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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Inläggav paa » 2011-02-10 23:58

Jacro skrev:...While I feel the half-space, boundary-coupled approach is the more universally consistent way to achieve the best effect,-
...
James


You really sound like the Carlsson-followers here. Have you studied Stig Carlssons loudspeakers to any extent?

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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-11 00:47

paa skrev:
Jacro skrev:...While I feel the half-space, boundary-coupled approach is the more universally consistent way to achieve the best effect,-
...
James


You really sound like the Carlsson-followers here. Have you studied Stig Carlssons loudspeakers to any extent?


I suppose I do sound somewhat like the Carlsson followers.

And, yes, I looked at his speakers, paper, and patents quite a few years ago. I believe that at least part of his concept that he developed in later years was valid and useful.

Carlsson, Snell, and Allison had all gotten part of the puzzle solved.

I'm not saying one can't get enjoyable sound with a non-boundary coupled loudspeaker, but it is much more difficult to create an accurate representation of the original event if one stimulates early, correlated front wall reflections, and do so with a spectrally distorted wavefront from the back and sides of the loudspeaker.

Boundary coupling makes things easier by creating a simpler wave-launch architecture and taking care of a number of issues that are normally rather difficult to deal with.

- James
Founder/Director Definitive Audio
Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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Inläggav Kraniet » 2011-02-11 09:33

Peter Steindl on this forum seem to draw on all those speakermakers (and some others im sure) in his "Egg"-speaker http://www.bremen.se/main/HT12.0/HT12.0.html
He speaks of his background and a little about the theories behind his speakers in this thread http://www.faktiskt.se/modules.php?name ... ic&t=16989
One claim being true 3D-sound with just 3 speakers. Its all very interesting, although its a bold claim.

Ive been thinking in terms of wall-close speakers but its not all that easy. The shallow, flat box arent always that easy to position along the wall with the wall-sockets and what have you. So its either relatively small boxes hung on the wall or more conventional florstanders made for a close placement against the wall.

Older Carlsson-speakers suffer alot by the fact that they are spreading the sound everywhere. Makes it all very diffuse and an artificial "soundstage". I call it painting with a wide (to wide) brush. The later madels work better but need a substantial dampening on the wall to not get that diffuse soundstage.
I get the same feeling with dipoles. But i guess some well placed damping and diffusion can work miracels with a dipole.
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Inläggav Stereotypen » 2011-02-11 13:50

Thank you Jacro for answering my question and sharing your thoughts.
I hope you will find this a pleasent forum and decide to drop in here every now and then. :)

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Inläggav paa » 2011-02-11 16:11

James, when you try to get a rectangular box like The Clue as coupled as possible to the wall, how much absorbtion would you prefer behind it? What size and thickness would you consider minimum and optimum?

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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-13 00:00

Kraniet skrev:Peter Steindl on this forum seem to draw on all those speakermakers (and some others im sure) in his "Egg"-speaker http://www.bremen.se/main/HT12.0/HT12.0.html
He speaks of his background and a little about the theories behind his speakers in this thread http://www.faktiskt.se/modules.php?name ... ic&t=16989
One claim being true 3D-sound with just 3 speakers. Its all very interesting, although its a bold claim.


I had previously read about the Bremen loudspeakers on Faktiskt, but I do not remember seeing a 3-speaker version discussed.

The 2-speaker version of the use-model concept seems to be very much the same as the Harold Beveridge line source electrostatic from the 1970's, wherein Mr. Beveridge boundary coupled his loudspeakers to the side-walls, about 1/3 of the distance along the side-wall, facing each other. They were linesource, and electrostic, but the general sound field presentation seems the same.

http://www.bevaudio.com/
http://bevaudio.com/technical_details.html

The perceived sound field from this type of presentation is quite impressive, spacious and deep, and fun, but some other aspects are questionable.

Also, it is difficult to find the correct room for them, that has the optimum length to width ratio.

They were the most expensive loudspeakers when they were first available. I've always thought it would be fun to have a low cost conventional-driver version that would create the same sensationalized sound field. I built prototypes years ago of planar magnetic line sources arranged in this manner and it worked quite well. Very entertaining.

It would seem that the Bremen speaker arrangement may provide this effect very well, and in a cost effective manner, but I have not had the opportunity to hear them.


Kraniet skrev:Ive been thinking in terms of wall-close speakers but its not all that easy. The shallow, flat box arent always that easy to position along the wall with the wall-sockets and what have you. So its either relatively small boxes hung on the wall or more conventional florstanders made for a close placement against the wall.


Yes, if a loudspeaker is specified for "wall-close" or corner placement, or any specific placement, then, unfortunately, there are always a significant number of people that don't have that kind of space available in their homes. That is the problem with specified placement, but the advantages of designing to a specific placement are so compelling, that I believe that I must choose that path, even if a majority of potential customers choose to avoid the product because they don't have a proper place for it.

There are plenty of other options for those particular customers and hopefully they can find a loudspeaker that makes them happy, in placement, appearance, and sound quality.



Kraniet skrev:Older Carlsson-speakers suffer alot by the fact that they are spreading the sound everywhere. Makes it all very diffuse and an artificial "soundstage". I call it painting with a wide (to wide) brush. The later madels work better but need a substantial dampening on the wall to not get that diffuse soundstage.
I get the same feeling with dipoles. But i guess some well placed damping and diffusion can work miracels with a dipole.


Ultimately, to get the best performance from each system type, one needs to be able to provide best placement and the associated room treatment that supports that particular system type.

The only system architecture that I have found to substantially transcend those requirements is to build a highly directional loudspeaker that inherently "ignores" the room for all early reflections. This type of hyper-directivity is very difficult to achieve in a practical manner, over a wide bandwidth, but the net result can be very impressive and transportable to a wide variety of acoustic environments.

I developed these types of systems from about 1994 to 2008, with some of the systems using ultrasonic to audio conversion (a parametric loudspeaker), and while they were not particularly practical, they could be very impressive in their ability to eliminate what I call the "Second Venue Problem", allowing one to hear the original, or "First Venue", where the original performance was recorded in a very convincing manner.

All the best,

- James
Founder/Director Definitive Audio
Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-13 08:52

paa skrev:James, when you try to get a rectangular box like The Clue as coupled as possible to the wall, how much absorption would you prefer behind it? What size and thickness would you consider minimum and optimum?


As a minimum I recommend 75mm thick acoustic foam that is arranged on the wall, inward from the right loudspeaker (going towards the left loudspeaker), starting at the inside corner of the cabinet that is closest to the wall, and also starting at the bottom edge of the cabinet.

The panel should be about 60 x 60cm, extending about 25cm above the top of the cabinet.

Ideally, additional amounts and placement would be adapted to the needs of a particular environment.


For a more complete/optimal arrangement, as a general rule, I would suggest a 75mm thick, 150cm x 150cm square piece centered horizontally behind the cabinet, and starting at the floor.

Also, place 100mm thick acoustic foam outward from the speaker, (to the right of the right loudspeaker) over to the corner, and from the corner extend 1/3 the length of the sidewall, OR, a piece 1-meter wide centered on the point where the first specular reflection bounces off the sidewall to the listener.

Again, each room has it’s own issues to deal with, but these are the general guidelines for minimum and optimal absorption.

Let me know if I need to provide further explanation.

Cheers,

- James
Founder/Director Definitive Audio
Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-13 09:13

Objektivisten skrev:Hi James, welcome to the forum, what do You think is the secret about tubes and that they almost always sounding more pleasant and true to the ears? And do we really need all that watts, low powered amps seems to gain in transparent sound, may be construction simplicity or cost effectiveness? Why do I think carbon sounds more real than metal as a conductor? Any clue?


Objektivisten,

I was just curious... I have not seen any comment or feedback from you on the answers I provided so far to your questions.

It is a rather complex topic, so I thought I should check to see if my starting answers were useful for you, such that you would like me to continue, or not?

Best regards,

- James
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Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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Inläggav Objektivisten » 2011-02-13 16:34

Jacro skrev:
Objektivisten skrev:Hi James, welcome to the forum, what do You think is the secret about tubes and that they almost always sounding more pleasant and true to the ears? And do we really need all that watts, low powered amps seems to gain in transparent sound, may be construction simplicity or cost effectiveness? Why do I think carbon sounds more real than metal as a conductor? Any clue?


Objektivisten,

I was just curious... I have not seen any comment or feedback from you on the answers I provided so far to your questions.

It is a rather complex topic, so I thought I should check to see if my starting answers were useful for you, such that you would like me to continue, or not?

Best regards,

- James


Thanks for a very interesting an thoughtfull answer James. I have wait in silence and hope for the other topics, and I have read all your inputs in this thread and understand You have a had a lot to do. Please welcome.
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Inläggav Kraniet » 2011-02-14 11:42

[quote="Jacro"][/quote]

The Bremen "Egg" is supposedly able to work with just thw two speakers, but as I understand a third, "center", speaker is being developed.

It would be interesting to hear your opinion on the multi-channel audio. There is a few people saying that the best way to get "true stereo" is by using three speakers, thus bypassing the "stereoflaw". There are a few processors doing multichannel from stereo, like dolby PL och Harmans Logic 7. Do you think its a good idea trying to recode stereo into multichannel? True multichannel recording might be better but were seeing some pretty stupid example of instruments panned hard to the rear sides etc.
Mr Steindl have is own "black box". Are the existing systems not good, and why (in your opinion).

regarding the placement of speakers its true like you say. But the best thing for a loudspeaker developer would be to make speakers that fit most persons/rooms. Your Clue for instance seems a better choice than say a Snell type A.
In my case its was only when I tried to position my 45cm wide speakers that I realized they werent as placement-friendly as I thought. With the type A´s it seems youd have to modify the room after the speakers to be able to position them correctly.
Making the speaker more like your Clue seems a better choice i that case.
Did you consider an even more "wall-integrated" desing like the Carlsson OA51 or Larsen speakers? http://www.larsenhifi.com/larsen8.htm
Mvh
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Inläggav sportbilsentusiasten » 2011-02-15 11:17

Nattlorden skrev:Jacro - almost no thread here ends on the same note as they begin, so that's completely natural. :D And feel free to comment/contribute in other threads than this one - I think I speak for everyone here when I say we're delighted to have yet another professional designer on the forum.

It's interesting when you all agree and equally so when you don't....

Well stated, agree 100%!

Welcome Jacro. Even if this is my first response in the thread, you should know that I enjoyed immensely your contribution to the forum.
I know many other people that read a lot more than post...

On this forum we just LOVE discussing technical details, especially based on own experience and studies.
Theory and calculations are interesting subjects in itself but nothing beats personal experience imho.

I'm going to respond to a few of your posts later on.
To be continued as they say...

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Inläggav sportbilsentusiasten » 2011-02-15 12:40

Jacro skrev:
To achieve this, I believe the loudspeaker should either be operated as a boundary coupled half-space device, or as an omni or full range dipole well out into the room.

I agree on pretty much everything in this post and have a Q regarding this quote - please list a few of your favorite speakers during the years

Yes I read about your reluctance commenting on existing products so list discontinued speakers then.
(even if I consider giving positive feedback about a competing product something that gives cred :wink: )

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Inläggav sportbilsentusiasten » 2011-02-15 12:46

Jacro skrev: The 2-speaker version of the use-model concept seems to be very much the same as the Harold Beveridge line source electrostatic from the 1970's, wherein Mr. Beveridge boundary coupled his loudspeakers to the side-walls, about 1/3 of the distance along the side-wall, facing each other. They were linesource, and electrostic, but the general sound field presentation seems the same.

http://www.bevaudio.com/
http://bevaudio.com/technical_details.html

The perceived sound field from this type of presentation is quite impressive, spacious and deep, and fun, but some other aspects are questionable.Also, it is difficult to find the correct room for them, that has the optimum length to width ratio.

Most (if not all) speakers are compromises so please elaborate about the not so great aspects please.

What is according to you the best length to width ratio?
Is that ratio different depending of speakers used?

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Inläggav sportbilsentusiasten » 2011-02-15 12:50

Jacro skrev:[s a minimum I recommend 75mm thick acoustic foam that is arranged on the wall, inward from the right loudspeaker (going towards the left loudspeaker), starting at the inside corner of the cabinet that is closest to the wall, and also starting at the bottom edge of the cabinet.

The panel should be about 60 x 60cm, extending about 25cm above the top of the cabinet.

Ideally, additional amounts and placement would be adapted to the needs of a particular environment.


For a more complete/optimal arrangement, as a general rule, I would suggest a 75mm thick, 150cm x 150cm square piece centered horizontally behind the cabinet, and starting at the floor.

Also, place 100mm thick acoustic foam outward from the speaker, (to the right of the right loudspeaker) over to the corner, and from the corner extend 1/3 the length of the sidewall, OR, a piece 1-meter wide centered on the point where the first specular reflection bounces off the sidewall to the listener.

Again, each room has it’s own issues to deal with, but these are the general guidelines for minimum and optimal absorption.

Let me know if I need to provide further explanation.

Great info,thanks!!!
What are your thoughts about acoustic treatment on the back wall, floor and ceiling?

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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-17 01:39

Objektivisten skrev:
Jacro skrev:
Objektivisten skrev:Hi James, welcome to the forum, what do You think is the secret about tubes and that they almost always sounding more pleasant and true to the ears? And do we really need all that watts, low powered amps seems to gain in transparent sound, may be construction simplicity or cost effectiveness? Why do I think carbon sounds more real than metal as a conductor? Any clue?


Objektivisten,

I was just curious... I have not seen any comment or feedback from you on the answers I provided so far to your questions.

It is a rather complex topic, so I thought I should check to see if my starting answers were useful for you, such that you would like me to continue, or not?

Best regards,

- James


Thanks for a very interesting an thoughtfull answer James. I have wait in silence and hope for the other topics, and I have read all your inputs in this thread and understand You have a had a lot to do. Please welcome.


Very good.

Thank you,

- James
Founder/Director Definitive Audio
Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-17 01:55

sportbilsentusiasten skrev:
Jacro skrev:[s a minimum I recommend 75mm thick acoustic foam that is arranged on the wall, inward from the right loudspeaker (going towards the left loudspeaker), starting at the inside corner of the cabinet that is closest to the wall, and also starting at the bottom edge of the cabinet.

The panel should be about 60 x 60cm, extending about 25cm above the top of the cabinet.

Ideally, additional amounts and placement would be adapted to the needs of a particular environment.


For a more complete/optimal arrangement, as a general rule, I would suggest a 75mm thick, 150cm x 150cm square piece centered horizontally behind the cabinet, and starting at the floor.

Also, place 100mm thick acoustic foam outward from the speaker, (to the right of the right loudspeaker) over to the corner, and from the corner extend 1/3 the length of the sidewall, OR, a piece 1-meter wide centered on the point where the first specular reflection bounces off the sidewall to the listener.

Again, each room has it’s own issues to deal with, but these are the general guidelines for minimum and optimal absorption.

Let me know if I need to provide further explanation.

Great info,thanks!!!
What are your thoughts about acoustic treatment on the back wall, floor and ceiling?



Room treatments should be environment specific, but generally, I would recommend diffusion on the back-wall, and most everywhere else after the first specular reflections are absorbed.

At least first specular front-wall, floor, and ceiling reflections should be eliminated as much as possible, as they tend to be correlated and can cause the greatest sonic coloration and spatial compression distortion. After that, is good to keep the later reflections substantially live, but diffused to best attempt to simulate a larger, first venue type environment.

This is an over simplification on many counts. Bandwidth of the absorption is important as it is important not to just create a partially absorbed, spectrally imbalanced reflection contributing to the room sound.

- James
Founder/Director Definitive Audio
Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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Inläggav 2-ch » 2011-02-17 10:50

Very interesting reading, i havent seen this thread earlier. I wonder how a guy from Seattle Washington found this place on the net?

Anyway, your are most welcome to faktiskt.se

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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-18 00:33

sportbilsentusiasten skrev:
Jacro skrev:
To achieve this, I believe the loudspeaker should either be operated as a boundary coupled half-space device, or as an omni or full range dipole well out into the room.

I agree on pretty much everything in this post and have a Q regarding this quote - please list a few of your favorite speakers during the years

Yes I read about your reluctance commenting on existing products so list discontinued speakers then.
(even if I consider giving positive feedback about a competing product something that gives cred :wink: )



Okay, here are a number of classic loudspeakers that I have either enjoyed and/or believe that they have contributed to advancing the state of the art. Most were very good performers with a few flaws, a few had significant flaws, but introduced important new capabilities or architectures to the field of loudspeaker development.
(I have not included any systems that I designed)

They are listed generally in chronological order of when they were produced.

Quad ESL 57
BBC LS3/6 – Spendor BC1
Hegeman H1 (Re-equalized)
Dayton Wright XG-8
Beveridge Model 2
Fulton FMI-80
BBC - Rogers LS3/5a (First build – Near-field or quasi-anechoic use)
Fulton J-Modular
Quad ESL-63 (modified and reoriented for optimized directivity)
AR-9
Snell Type ‘A’
Allison Model Three
Magneplanar Tympani 1D and Tympani IV
Acoustat 1+1
Snell Type One
Sound Labs A-1
3D Acoustics 3D6/10 (First version w/dust cap damping)
Carlsson OA Series
Gradient 1.3
Harbeth Monitor 40 (semi-near field)
AR-303

Here are a few currently available loudspeakers that, in my opinion, have promising characteristics.

AudioKinesis Dream Maker
Emerald Physics CS2.3
Ino Audio pi60
Gedlee Summa

Best regards,

- James
Founder/Director Definitive Audio
Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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Jacro
 
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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-18 00:54

2-ch skrev:Very interesting reading, i havent seen this thread earlier. I wonder how a guy from Seattle Washington found this place on the net?

Anyway, your are most welcome to faktiskt.se


I have written audio industry patent reviews for a loudspeaker engineering journal called "Voice Coil" for about 15 years. A few years ago, I was looking up some references on boundary coupled loudspeakers, for an article in the journal, and found Faktiskt.se for the first time when searching for additional information on Carlsson OA series and Audio Pro A4-14 loudspeakers.

I've always found it interesting to observe audio discussions from outside of the USA, and have particularly enjoyed Faktiskt.

I had not submitted any comments until just recently when a friend of mine told me that they noticed ( the clue ) loudspeaker being mentioned here. Since there appeared to be some questions and interest, as designer of the loudspeaker, I thought I should make myself available for discussion as long as there was an interest in my doing so.

I thank you, and everyone here, for warmly welcoming me into the clubhouse.

Cheers,

- James
Founder/Director Definitive Audio
Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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Inläggav KarlXII » 2011-02-18 01:03

Google translate is really a fantastic tool. :)

Jacro, have you listened to Carlsson and Ino yourself?


The Clue has really made people interested over here! Are there any plans to extend the series with e.g. a center speaker, surrounds or perhaps a big brother up front?
T H E. G O O S E B U M P. F A C T O R

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Inläggav Jacro » 2011-02-19 00:48

KarlXII skrev:Google translate is really a fantastic tool. :)

Jacro, have you listened to Carlsson and Ino yourself?


The Clue has really made people interested over here! Are there any plans to extend the series with e.g. a center speaker, surrounds or perhaps a big brother up front?



I hope that the Google translator doesn't provide too many embarrassing mistakes. I often translate from English to Swedish, and then translate the Swedish back to English again, to see what it says, and the errors can be quite entertaining.

Yes, I have heard the Carlsson and Ino loudspeakers. Sonab and Carlsson many years ago, and the larger Ino Audio loudspeakers more recently.

I have always been lucky enough to have customers and friends that have traveled all over the world, wanting to show me their latest loudspeaker discoveries that they bring back home to America.

I'm glad to hear that The Clue has generated interest here. I hope we can build enough to fill the U.S. orders so that eventually SJÖFN Hi-Fi can offer them in Europe. My understanding is that there have been orders from Europe but I don't know if they have been fulfilled.

In terms of future product plans for SJÖFN Hi-Fi, we will be focusing on support for The Clue and will be making some associated products to enhance the performance of The Clue.

As we announce any new products, I’ll post the announcement in Faktiskt.

Cheers,

- James
Founder/Director Definitive Audio
Developer of ( the clue ) for SJÖFN Hi-Fi
Owner Croft Acoustical

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paa
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Inläggav paa » 2011-02-19 01:23

James, I have just been reading a little of what Roy Allison have to say, and he apparently tries to get "maximum and equal dispersion
from the lowest to the highest audible frequencies" (in half space).
A tractrix or kugelwellenhorn and/or a small midrange with very wide dispersion, sounds like a possible way to achieve this in the upper range, but I cannot see how this goal could be compatible with using directivety control waveguides having the standard 60 to 90 degrees coverage angles?
Do you agree with Roy Allison that full half space is the optimum dispersion for the entire sound spectrum?

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Objektivisten
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Inläggav Objektivisten » 2011-02-19 01:31

Hello James.
Pålitlig, Flexibel, Robust

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sportbilsentusiasten
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Inläggav sportbilsentusiasten » 2011-02-19 01:38

Thanks for the list Jacro!
I'm also a fan of QUAD, lovely speakers :D


Can you please elaborate on pi60's "promising characteristics"?
Jacro skrev: Here are a few currently available loudspeakers that, in my opinion, have promising characteristics.

AudioKinesis Dream Maker
Emerald Physics CS2.3
Ino Audio pi60

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Inläggav Laila » 2011-02-19 01:49

Kanske att man skall respektera vad Jacro tidigare
har skrivit, nämligen att han helst inte vill uttala sig om
typ "prylar" som nuvarande är i produktion, ity han
själv är i "branschen" . . . :roll:
Sterio . . . krävs dä tvillingar för å lyssna på´t åsså, typ . . . ?
Sedan mitt andra jag gick bort lyssnar jag mest på monio . . . typ.

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